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Post by Gonzalo el Silenciado on Dec 20, 2005 19:41:36 GMT -5
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Post by Shark Black on Dec 20, 2005 21:15:56 GMT -5
Thank God!!! Intelligent Design - OXYMORON!! The design of this wacked out existence is far from intelligent. If this isn't random madness I don't know what is. LONG LIVE DARWIN!!! ;D
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Post by BenMech on Dec 20, 2005 22:27:05 GMT -5
that's Viva La Vie Dar-win!
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Post by SethFWF on Dec 21, 2005 18:47:25 GMT -5
They're right on the money with this, if parents want their kids to learn about God...take them to church and leave them at Sunday school. It has no place in the public education system. But Bret, 'long live Darwin'?? Come on, a simple man and a theory that has a ton of holes in it...really, why put him on a pedestal? Not to mention, why be happy about his theory...if it happened to be true, there would be nothing joyous about it. And still no one has answered the question of all this good and evil stuff being thrown around lately...what's the point of all of it if we're all just a bunch of(as SVT would say) nihilists. If there's good there has to be evil, where did they come from if we simply came from a mud puddle? As far as intelligent design, we claim to have intelligence...we pat ourselves on the back all the time for our discoveries and advancements. It makes more sense to me that intelligence comes from intelligence, not out of nothing...and the boat we're in now has nothing to do with poor design. Sorry to get into it again, I completely agree with the point of the thread though... Seth
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Post by Shark Black on Dec 21, 2005 19:24:21 GMT -5
But Bret, 'long live Darwin'?? Come on, a simple man and a theory that has a ton of holes in it...really, why put him on a pedestal? Not to mention, why be happy about his theory...if it happened to be true, there would be nothing joyous about it. And still no one has answered the question of all this good and evil stuff being thrown around lately...what's the point of all of it if we're all just a bunch of(as SVT would say) nihilists. If there's good there has to be evil, where did they come from if we simply came from a mud puddle? Seth Probably because Darwin was right. And his theory's aren't simple and either was the man. There may be a few holes in his theory but evolution is a proven fact. And there is a point to good and evil without the existence of God. And that fits into Darwin's theory too. We do good because evil leads to ruin and does not perpetuate the species. And as for intellegence it can be explained in truely physical terms. Brain size, function etc. To ignore good science is what mankind has been doing for years. So lets keep doin it! Cause it makes for a more entertaining world!!
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Post by BenMech on Dec 21, 2005 20:11:32 GMT -5
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Post by SethFWF on Dec 21, 2005 20:38:05 GMT -5
Probably because Darwin was right. And his theory's aren't simple and either was the man. There may be a few holes in his theory but evolution is a proven fact. And there is a point to good and evil without the existence of God. And that fits into Darwin's theory too. We do good because evil leads to ruin and does not perpetuate the species. And as for intellegence it can be explained in truely physical terms. Brain size, function etc. To ignore good science is what mankind has been doing for years. So lets keep doin it! Cause it makes for a more entertaining world!! The majority of what you said is as unprovable as God, therefore mostly your opinion...for instance... Darwin was still a man, a smart one yes...but his theories are unproven. Yet, there are many evolutionary facts... doesn't disprove intelligent design though. The concepts of good and evil cannot come from nothing, nothing cannot produce a conscience, and again... nothing cannot produce the intellect that we have developed. It is foolish to ignore science, we were created to learn and teach and develope our brains...yet we've barely scratched the surface of the potential of the brain. Our brains at full potential would make todays most powerful computer look like a Speak and Spell. Which brings me back to a base point, we know nothing... in our little pee sized world among an endless universe, we can't possibly depend solely on our science to explain anything. And it may be entertaining for some to hear what believers in intelligent design say, but our existance and the future of it are no laughing matter. Damn, I'm a real downer in this room, ha. But it's interesting that your beliefs are far more depressing than mine could ever be. Seth
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Post by SethFWF on Dec 21, 2005 20:41:20 GMT -5
I just briefly looked at the article, I'll have some thoughts when I have a better chance to read it. But no, I'm not a fan...I don't particularly pay attention to these creation science people either. Seth
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Post by kerrick on Dec 22, 2005 0:33:21 GMT -5
Seth, I agree with you on pretty much everything, except is it really wrong to teach creationism too? Sure, it's a "theory" and is not proven, but neither is evolution. Yes, evolution does happen to an extent, but the whole monkey thing is still unproven. So, either they would have to not teach either, or teach both, explaining that neither are "fact" and that it's up for the student to decide, not the school. Solely teaching evolution goes against a lot of people's (including mine, obviosly) religions, and who's to say that one person's religion (or lack there of) is better than another's? -Kerrick
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Post by Gonzalo el Silenciado on Dec 22, 2005 2:24:24 GMT -5
Seth, please tell me you're kidding. Ever been on a ranch? You know how ranchers select the finest specimens and breed them to create finer specimens? Evolution in action, buddy. Same thing happened when commercial insecticides were first introduced in the early 20th century. Millions of the little fuckers were annihilated, but were replaced by new breeds that were impervious to the poisons. The same thing is happening right now with bird flu.
How anybody who has ever worked with animals have any doubts as to Darwinian theory is beyond me.
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Post by BenMech on Dec 22, 2005 7:04:51 GMT -5
Seth, I agree with you on pretty much everything, except is it really wrong to teach creationism too? Sure, it's a "theory" and is not proven, but neither is evolution. Yes, evolution does happen to an extent, but the whole monkey thing is still unproven. So, either they would have to not teach either, or teach both, explaining that neither are "fact" and that it's up for the student to decide, not the school. Solely teaching evolution goes against a lot of people's (including mine, obviosly) religions, and who's to say that one person's religion (or lack there of) is better than another's? -Kerrick Ok, YOUR opinion is now invalid. ALL religions are harmful to humans. Maybe THAT's why we haven't evolved. POh and Seth, the attributed saying that we don't use our full brain potential is a load of bollocks. Humans use ALL of what's alotted to them all the time. That is, most brain functions are for body maintenance. So please stop repeating that lie.
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Post by SethFWF on Dec 22, 2005 17:48:39 GMT -5
Seth, I agree with you on pretty much everything, except is it really wrong to teach creationism too? Sure, it's a "theory" and is not proven, but neither is evolution. Yes, evolution does happen to an extent, but the whole monkey thing is still unproven. So, either they would have to not teach either, or teach both, explaining that neither are "fact" and that it's up for the student to decide, not the school. Solely teaching evolution goes against a lot of people's (including mine, obviosly) religions, and who's to say that one person's religion (or lack there of) is better than another's? -Kerrick There's a fine line there. I understand what you're saying, but evolution is a science...completely true or not. So science goes with school where religion does not. Parents can put their kids in Catholic or Christian or whatever school so that they don't get overloaded on evolution or anti-creation and focus on what they want their kids to learn religiously. Or put them in Sunday school. The main point is that public schools being part of gov't shouldn't allow the mixing of religion in the teachings, hopefully our fearless leaders won't forget that important part of the constitution in the rest of the gov't. Seth
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Post by SethFWF on Dec 22, 2005 17:54:54 GMT -5
Seth, please tell me you're kidding. Ever been on a ranch? You know how ranchers select the finest specimens and breed them to create finer specimens? Evolution in action, buddy. Same thing happened when commercial insecticides were first introduced in the early 20th century. Millions of the little fuckers were annihilated, but were replaced by new breeds that were impervious to the poisons. The same thing is happening right now with bird flu. How anybody who has ever worked with animals have any doubts as to Darwinian theory is beyond me. I'm not saying that no part of an evolutionary principle exists, there's certainly reason to believe it does. But none of that proves that there is/was no intelligent design behind the whole thing. And I'm not saying it's impossible, but improbable that even the science of evolution itself developed randomly and out of nothingness. Seth
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Post by SethFWF on Dec 22, 2005 18:04:05 GMT -5
the attributed saying that we don't use our full brain potential is a load of bollocks. Humans use ALL of what's alotted to them all the time. That is, most brain functions are for body maintenance. So please stop repeating that lie. That is not bull Ben, scientists have long agreed that they and the smartest doctors on the planet are at a loss for how much of the brain works. It's crazy to assume that we have unlocked all of our potential, why are some people so much smarter than others?...and not just in the typical sense. But some have the potential to learn and remember unlimited amounts of info, but at the same time...there is an unlimited amount of info out there that can't be learned right now. So why do we continue to aquire more info and ways to use our brains if we've already used them them to their fullest? Seth
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Post by kerrick on Dec 22, 2005 20:12:46 GMT -5
Seth, I agree with you on pretty much everything, except is it really wrong to teach creationism too? Sure, it's a "theory" and is not proven, but neither is evolution. Yes, evolution does happen to an extent, but the whole monkey thing is still unproven. So, either they would have to not teach either, or teach both, explaining that neither are "fact" and that it's up for the student to decide, not the school. Solely teaching evolution goes against a lot of people's (including mine, obviously) religions, and who's to say that one person's religion (or lack there of) is better than another's? -Kerrick There's a fine line there. I understand what you're saying, but evolution is a science...completely true or not. So science goes with school where religion does not. Parents can put their kids in Catholic or Christian or whatever school so that they don't get overloaded on evolution or anti-creation and focus on what they want their kids to learn religiously. Or put them in Sunday school. The main point is that public schools being part of gov't shouldn't allow the mixing of religion in the teachings, hopefully our fearless leaders won't forget that important part of the constitution in the rest of the gov't. Seth Yes, but since the theory of evolution is not completely fact, should it be taught as fact? I just finished an anthropology class where the professor forced evolution down everyone's throats, giving no alternatives. I'm ok with evolution being taught in public schools, but it has to be balanced, which it is not now. And the same goes with creation; it shouldn't be taught in public schools by itself, but at least as a possibility, because not everyone that attends public schools are atheists. What I'm trying to say is balance is necessary for our schools, we can't be indoctrinated by just a single viewpoint, especially if that viewpoint is not proven as they are teaching it. Any thoughts? -Kerrick
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