SethFWF
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Post by SethFWF on Mar 22, 2005 17:35:16 GMT -5
This one's really got me stumped, and I hate it when I get too involved in these stories. There are logical arguements on both sides, and as far as moral issues...it's not black and white by any means... One woman said, "If she could all of a sudden talk, she would say I want divorce right now!" That got me thinking...I would bet money that if she could all of a sudden talk, she would say "Let me die for God sakes and get my face off the TV in this condition!" Who would honestly want to be a burden to their family for this long? But the hard part is the way she's going to die and that's where the problem lies. There's a chance she may suffer a long drawn out death this way...but no one knows how much she really can suffer? A stumper I say. Seth
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Post by Shark Black on Mar 22, 2005 18:52:47 GMT -5
Togh biz. I say let the poor woman die. I don't understand why the family doesn't want to let her go. She's a vegatable. Then beyond that... Why do they have to starve her. Why can't they give her the ol' lethal injection.
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Post by SethFWF on Mar 22, 2005 19:32:14 GMT -5
I've heard quite a few questions and answers to that and I think it boils down to the "right to die" laws and the fact that she can't be assisted. Goes back to Kevorkian probably and she obviously can't ask for it, so she'll have to die on her own.
It's really a sad story and against my better judgement I think her husband is sincere, seems that even if he's freed from her legally and every other way...he wants her wishes to be honored. But I understand the families side, only they can't see the forest for the trees...likely blinded by emotion.
Seth
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Post by Shark Black on Mar 22, 2005 20:52:43 GMT -5
I see absolutely no difference in removing the tube and giving her the juice. You are facilitating her death. Dumb. I don't think her husband is all that sincere. He's a little to gung ho to see her off. He never tried anything to rehabilitate her. The family on the other hand is being a bit selfish, but I do see their side of things. But they probably need to let her go now. Dude we need to get our avatars together so it looks like the guys lighting the skills cigarette with his gun.
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Post by SethFWF on Mar 23, 2005 6:57:39 GMT -5
I don't know, I've been watching for awhile(don't have a choice, when I'm on the PC the little den TV is on the news channels right next to me)...and as much as I'd like to think his motives are selfish, I really think he has her best interests in mind. He's dealt with this as the primary caregiver for 15 years, and again...I can't imagine anyone would want to be shown on TV in that condition everyday for years. Hard to judge motive though in something like this. Of course I'm sure the family are sincere, but not willing to deal with the inevitable. As far as the juice, that's a good point...really not much difference. The avatars would look cool that way... Seth
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Post by Shark Black on Mar 23, 2005 15:32:42 GMT -5
Well, The whole thing is extremely sad. Would hate to be in their shoes.
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Post by BenMech on Mar 23, 2005 16:23:57 GMT -5
Togh biz. I say let the poor woman die. I don't understand why the family doesn't want to let her go. She's a vegatable. Then beyond that... Why do they have to starve her. Why can't they give her the ol' lethal injection. WTF ? ! ? ! ? ! ? Brett writes a non-musical posting I ONE HUNDRED PERCENT agree with. Hell must need some HVAC assistance. Something's on the fritz
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Post by SethFWF on Mar 23, 2005 18:16:42 GMT -5
Apparantly they're saying she's been given quite a bit of sedatives/painkillers and they think she's not feeling any of the pain that would come with this. Who's to know though, she may not have felt it anyway. That's the only part that bothers me, if it's going to take 2 weeks...that's a long drawn out affair. But something's going to have to give eventually.
Saying it may go the Supreme Court next.
Seth
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Post by Shark Black on Mar 23, 2005 19:31:41 GMT -5
WTF ? ! ? ! ? ! ? Brett writes a non-musical posting I ONE HUNDRED PERCENT agree with. Hell must need some HVAC assistance. Something's on the fritz LOL Thats because the topics are usually foreign policy related. Or if a topic is hyped I don't always buy in to the logic. But on several domestic issues I'm very progressive LOL Right to Die being one of them. I think they should legalizing cetain drugs (Tax and teach) I'm all for Gays Rights! Go Gay People! ( I just think there is a compromise in there somewhere) I'm pro choice during the first trimester. I'm for Stem Cell Research But I think we should be drilling the shit out of Alaska and anywhere else there's oil. There, that one was to make you happy!
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Post by Sir Van Talvin on Mar 25, 2005 18:34:13 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300] Where are all the Democratic politicians on this one?[/glow] It's seems as though they didn't want to be anywhere near this issue when the Republicans pushed through their legislation. Any speculations on this?
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Post by SethFWF on Mar 25, 2005 18:54:07 GMT -5
I thought that original bill they pushed through was bi-partisan. I've heard some Dems speak on the families behalf, but also on the husbands. What's interesting is the differences in ideologies that come out in a case like this. I mean Repubs are pro-life all the way...but all for the death penalty. Then the Dems are pro-choice, but don't want mass murderers to be executed. I would almost think a case like this would bring the liberals screaming even more than the conservatives. It's all about human rights, and her being denied hers... ... Seth
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Post by Sir Van Talvin on Mar 25, 2005 19:11:29 GMT -5
The liberals were by and large silent on this one (nothing from Ted Kennedy and co.). Most of them were absent from the vote. I think their overwhleming silence on this issue is for political expediency. As for the opposing ideoligies, I think a different thread would be far more suitable for debating the liberal and conservative viewpoints.
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Post by SethFWF on Mar 25, 2005 19:26:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I purposely didn't bring up the political end when I started it. Doesn't matter, but I figured what were our individual thoughts?
I did hear Kennedy going off about the gov't getting involved at all, which I actually kind of agree with. Since when have they ever with any other similar cases? This one became another reason to divide them and see who could be more attractive to the voters.
Seth
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Post by Sir Van Talvin on Mar 25, 2005 19:44:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I purposely didn't bring up the political end when I started it. Doesn't matter, but I figured what were our individual thoughts? Oh, I got it....it's just that I realized how easy it would be to drift into a pro-life vs. pro-choice thing.I did hear Kennedy going off about the gov't getting involved at all, which I actually kind of agree with. And that's the extent to which he and other liberals have commented. Why couldn't Chappaquiddick Ted show some of that fiery passion on the morality of this issue like he does on social programs? (rhetorical question, IMO)
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Post by SethFWF on Mar 25, 2005 20:13:56 GMT -5
I agree, I'm no fan of Kennedy...but at the same time I wonder where the legislative and executive branches have any place in this? It sure is becoming a moral/religious issue now. I'm watching it for awhile now tonight and there's a real rift in what peoples beliefs are. Here's a weird question....if all these religious people, whether Christian/Catholic or whatever want the best for her...why not let her go on to a better existance? All religious people believe in an afterlife of some sort(uh oh...here we go mixing threads again... ), so why would they want her to live on this fucked up planet in this fucked up condition??!! I can't get over the whacked thinking and ideology going on here. Seth
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