SethFWF
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Post by SethFWF on Apr 5, 2005 16:57:00 GMT -5
Very detailed timeline, but I still don't see anything incriminating against Micheal. That original settlement he got (from what I understand) was used for her care and all but used up. I know there would be more coming upon her death, but it wasn't a huge amount...otherwise the family would have used that against him a lot more. The way the courts saw it was that he has spent the last 15 years(the first 8 with hope of her recovery) caring for her...he's not winning out on anything and had a right to get on with his life. Of course he could have done that by giving up his rights...so why unless he felt a moral obligation towards her didn't he do that?
Still hate to take sides on this...it's anything but black and white.
Seth
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Shark Black
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Post by Shark Black on Apr 5, 2005 19:57:33 GMT -5
I heard that when the settlement came he refused to use most of it her. Thats when he and the rest of the family began to split. It pissed off the father.
Could be wrong but thats something I think I remember hearing.
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Post by ProgRocker on Apr 6, 2005 8:54:23 GMT -5
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SethFWF
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Post by SethFWF on Apr 6, 2005 17:51:32 GMT -5
I agree with some of that, it is still a very gray area topic IMO. There obviously has to be some regulation of uethenasia and assisted suicide, and even abortion. But regulation and an all out ban on these things are two different animals. That is where the ultra-conservative gov't is going too far...or will go too far should they make it happen.
I'm of the belief that life is precious and a gift, I have my own opinions about these "cultures of life/death" issues...but it really should be a persons own decision with the realization that they have to answer to God(whether the believe in him or not) whatever they choose. Along with some regulation as to how these things are done, with legal parameters for age of consent, power of attorney...etc...there's no reason for the gov't to ban something that adults can decide for themselves.
If we open the door for these types of laws and bans, it will get fully kicked open with precedents being set to limit or take away our freedoms. While I have quite conservative views on some things, IMO people who lean farther right than that can't see the potential danger in this. Again, religious beliefs dictating law=bad and scary times ahead.
Seth
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Post by spyder on Apr 6, 2005 21:03:02 GMT -5
i, spyder, being of sound mind and body, do not wish to be kept alive indefinitely by artificial means. under no circumstances should my fate be put in the hands of peckerwood politicians who couldn't pass ninth-grade biology if their lives depended on it. if a reasonable amount of time passes and i fail to sit up and ask for a vai fix, it should be presumed that i won't ever get better. when such a determination is reached, i hereby instruct my other half, any children i may have in the future and attending physicians to pull the plug, reel in the tubes, and call it a day. under no circumstances shall the members of the legislature enact a special law to keep me on life-support machinery. it is my wish that these boneheads mind their own damn business, and pay attention instead to the health, education and future of the millions of americans who aren't in a permanent coma. under no circumstances shall any politicians butt into this case. i don't care how many fundamentalist votes they're trying to scrounge for their run for the presidency in 2008, it is my wish that they play politics with someone else's life and leave me alone to die in peace.
i couldn't care less if a hundred religious zealots send e-mails to legislators in which they pretend to care about me. i don't know these people, and i certainly haven't authorized them to preach and crusade on my behalf. they should mind their own business, too.
if any of my family goes against my wishes and turns my case into a political cause, i hereby promise to come back from the grave and make his or her existence a living hell.
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SethFWF
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Post by SethFWF on Apr 7, 2005 6:56:24 GMT -5
Very well written! Seth
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Post by ProgRocker on Apr 7, 2005 7:41:15 GMT -5
Right on, spyder!
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spyder
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Post by spyder on Apr 8, 2005 20:58:45 GMT -5
uhhh, thank you....thank you very much.
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Post by Fox on Apr 11, 2005 8:28:42 GMT -5
Progrocker, were you the one that told me, being an objectivist has nothing to do with being objective?
because that paragraph is 100% emotional argument, there's nothing objective about it.
Ending stupidity one post at a time.
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Post by ProgRocker on Apr 11, 2005 9:00:44 GMT -5
Progrocker, were you the one that told me, being an objectivist has nothing to do with being objective? Being an objectivist means being a follower of Ayn Rand's philosophy. It's supposed to be an "objective" philosophy, but it falls short of that mark in a number of respects.
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SethFWF
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Post by SethFWF on Apr 11, 2005 17:42:56 GMT -5
What I find in that paragraph is common sense, objective, emotional or otherwise.
But while I feel it's sensible, I also think that regulations must be in place so that it's done only in the cases that warrant it. It should not be allowed to run rampant of course.
So if the courts followed the letter of the law as it pertains to who has the right to say what happens, what to do with objections...etc...then this case most likely went the way it should have besides the massive media coverage and the gov't stepping in.
And just maybe it didn't go the way it should have, so now is the time to refine the regulations, get a solid foundation of laws set to handle any and all situations similar. But outlawing the choice for someone(or someone who has or is given the right) to make their decision is wrong IMO. This case highlighted the fact that everyone needs to be legally ready for this to happen to them. Of course not everyone will, which is where strict guidelines would kick in hopefully.
Seth
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