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Post by kerrick on Apr 28, 2006 10:01:03 GMT -5
I know that this is a touchy topic for a lot of people and we certainly have very different points of view (pun intended), but just the same everyone has been so mature and respectful. So many times on online forums like this, rather than even listening to what the other side has to say, people just resort to name calling and such, but that's not the case here. Awesome job fellas! -Kerrick
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Post by Gonzalo el Silenciado on Apr 28, 2006 15:17:07 GMT -5
I...just the same everyone has been so mature and respectful. Fuck respect. I say we close the borders and kick the white people out! Woo-ha!!! NP: Mardo
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Post by SethFWF on Apr 28, 2006 15:28:51 GMT -5
So many times on online forums like this, rather than even listening to what the other side has to say, people just resort to name calling and such, but that's not the case here. Awesome job fellas! That's why I like this board so much, I've gotten into political, social, and religious discussions on other boards and it always goes south fast. We can get pretty heated on certain topics here, but there's always respect from everyone for everyone else's opinions...enough so that usually nobody gets overly offended. Debates here end up being enjoyable and informative for the most part... Fuck respect. I say we close the borders and kick the white people out! Woo-ha!!! #ohgoon# That's the first time I've heard it said like that, should we go down to Mexico then?...LOL! Seth
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Post by kerrick on Apr 28, 2006 16:28:38 GMT -5
So many times on online forums like this, rather than even listening to what the other side has to say, people just resort to name calling and such, but that's not the case here. Awesome job fellas! That's why I like this board so much, I've gotten into political, social, and religious discussions on other boards and it always goes south fast. We can get pretty heated on certain topics here, but there's always respect from everyone for everyone else's opinions...enough so that usually nobody gets overly offended. Debates here end up being enjoyable and informative for the most part... For the most part... I recall a certain religious debate here that went bad pretty quickly, but that was only one in a multitude of similar topics. As far as online forums go, I think that's pretty good #applause# .
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Post by SethFWF on Apr 28, 2006 16:37:54 GMT -5
For the most part... I recall a certain religious debate here that went bad pretty quickly, but that was only one in a multitude of similar topics. As far as online forums go, I think that's pretty good #applause# . Yeah, I'm sure I was getting my ass kicked hard on that one...LMAO!! But at least it wasn't mean spirited and that's what makes it OK.
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kerrick
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Post by kerrick on Apr 28, 2006 18:31:04 GMT -5
Oh, I was referring to one where it was pretty "mean spirited" towards me mostly. It got to the point where it wasn't even worth trying to reason with the opposing party, which I did for a while and eventually just gave up. Still, that's the only time I can think of that sort of thing happening, so the odds are still pretty good. -Kerrick
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Post by Gonzalo el Silenciado on Apr 29, 2006 16:29:46 GMT -5
That's the first time I've heard it said like that, should we go down to Mexico then? Reminds me of a movie I didn't absolutely hate. There are very few of those. The Day After Tomorrow ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After_Tomorrow). News breaks that the further south you are, the safer you'll be from the elements that are destroying the world as we know it. The border clogs up, and you see Mexican border patrol guys throwing tear gas at the masses of white people desperately tryign to get into Mexico. One white guy north of the river waves a hundred-dollar bill at the border patrol. It was glorious. My cousin and I high-fived. He's here with a student visa, if you're wondering.
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Post by SethFWF on Apr 30, 2006 18:19:38 GMT -5
Yep, I saw the irony and humor during that part of the movie....
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Post by Virtual Scott on May 1, 2006 6:37:11 GMT -5
"Fuck respect. I say we close the borders and kick the white people out! Woo-ha!!!"
Yeah, man, my peeps tried that back in the 1800's. Unfortunately it didnt' work.
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Post by SethFWF on May 1, 2006 19:14:23 GMT -5
Fuckin' white man!!!... Another big day today, didn't seem to affect my work at all...think they all came to work. Oddly enough, there are no minorities at all in my dept...so I guess I wouldn't really notice. Seems like most all of it was peaceful from what I've heard so far. Seth
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Post by Sir Van Talvin on May 1, 2006 21:30:22 GMT -5
It seems to me, not to long ago, when women and blacks - who at the time had little no rights - we're protesting in the streets - so this shouldn't come as a surprised to anyone just as the fact that every hispanic we see at a protest is, in fact, an illegal. The protests served and continue to serve, an important purpose - to bring a heated debate to a very topical and important subject that is of tremendous importance for the future of the country. False comparison. The presence of women and blacks on American soil during their times of protest and grievances was NOT trespassing. In other words, they had a LEGAL right to be in this country. As opposed to those who do not have legal right to be in this country (and they're not all necessarily Latin Americans). I have a problem with trespassers making demands.
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Post by Virtual Scott on May 2, 2006 8:17:04 GMT -5
First off, I was referring to the protests themselves. There are significant similarities in the "outcry" of some of the "white establishment" but of course, notice how the White Power brokers and business owners aren't really complaining, afterall most of their business needs and outsourcing issues are being addressed and solved by the immigrant situation.
But... I was also referring to when the White Men invaded the America's and took the land by force and government, by the 1800's, though. This immigration thing wasn't such a big deal when the "illegals" were from Russia and Yugoslavia, displaced Serbians and whonot during the 90's, though.
While it's become a complicated issue, the use of racist rhetoric and misanthropy is not going to resolve the situation or bring about a solution any quicker. I have a problem with people assuming all latin american's are illegal, as well, though.
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Post by Gonzalo el Silenciado on May 2, 2006 8:51:50 GMT -5
I have a problem with people assuming all latin american's are illegal, as well, though. Allow me to quote from an insipid forwarded e-mail from a former friend who would rather have his head up the righty-talkers asses than remain friends with people who respectfully disagree with him. Needless to say, I no longer respectfully disagree with this rodent... -- Maybe the next time you liberals want to bitch about how bad the Republicans have run this country, be glad that you have the right to even bitch. If you think it is so bad here, then PLEASE, move to another country. (especially you Gonzo, since I don't even think you were born here.) And don't you EVER tell me what my First Amendment Rights are, you hypocrite. -- I'll give the rest of the country the benefit of the doubt on this one. In my experience, people this stupid seem to exist only here in Texas. And Florida.
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Post by kerrick on May 2, 2006 12:07:02 GMT -5
Allow me to quote from an insipid forwarded e-mail from a former friend who would rather have his head up the righty-talkers asses than remain friends with people who respectfully disagree with him. Needless to say, I no longer respectfully disagree with this rodent... -- Maybe the next time you liberals want to bitch about how bad the Republicans have run this country, be glad that you have the right to even bitch. If you think it is so bad here, then PLEASE, move to another country. (especially you Gonzo, since I don't even think you were born here.) And don't you EVER tell me what my First Amendment Rights are, you hypocrite. -- Wow ... I see where he's coming from about the being glad to "have the right to even bitch" part, as it's true, we really do have it good here (that's probably why we have an immigration problem in the first place) and should be grateful. But the "especially you Gonzo..." was absolutely unnecessary and completely wrong, no matter what was said earlier. Which makes me very curious exactly what you said in particular for him to single you out like that. Obviously he has an anger issue, but generally people don't just spout off like that unless you provoke them. What set this fellow off? -Kerrick
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Post by Shark Black on May 2, 2006 23:33:54 GMT -5
I think we need to do better at the borders so that immigration can be somewhat controlled, because it is a security issue. And we need to find a way for the immigrants that are already here to earn citizenship.
Then we need to up the amount of legal immigration so that foreigners feel the process is actually doable. I think slowing the flow of illegal immigration will help to up the legal flow. Then it's a win, win. Foreigners continue to enrich our society without having to live on the fringes of it.
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