Virtual Scott
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Post by Virtual Scott on Mar 14, 2006 9:28:11 GMT -5
Actually, I'd prefer to pick and chose WHERE I prefer "more government." To say I'm an advocate for "more government" is a misrepresentation. If you ask me I'd say in certain instances I'm for "a more accountable, representative, responsible government" sure, how could be a bad thing? Ironically enough, the lofty GOP party of "smaller government" is probably running the biggest bureaucratic (and corrupt) government in modern memory. So I hope that atleast cleared that up a bit. After all, government is there to SERVE the people, right?
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Post by SethFWF on Mar 14, 2006 19:04:45 GMT -5
Bush went for it! ;D He finally hit an approval rating as low as Clinton's was!!! 37% Of course the press would tell you that his rating is as rare as sashimi!! Because when Bush is president the rating leads the news when Clinton was president it was page two... at least. Just another way they lead all the lemmings along #chatterbox# I do believe the biggest reason Clinton had a low approval rating at all was because of his 'affair'. No, he wasn't the most moral in his personal life...but it did not affect the country or it's citizens at all. And I do remember his Lewinsky fiasco being front page and top story everyday for a long time. I think it is somewhat telling that Bush's rating is so low, even though I'm not big on polls like that...but if you look at exactly what's been going on recently, it shouldn't be a surprise and it does affect the country and it's citizens. Like the Katrina thing for instance, I was the first one to come to his defense when the shitstorm hit...but admittedly, the new info from the videos and transcripts having me wondering. He just doesn't seem in touch whatsoever with what's going on no matter how pressing, how can you defend his position right before the hurricane hit? Seth
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Post by Virtual Scott on Mar 15, 2006 8:13:58 GMT -5
Dude, the Bush reality distortion field (installed and maintained by Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc - who, of course have their own RDF's) is another example of how deluded and mired in denial these fools are. I know Bush was born INTO this, but hey, he had the money and privilege to gloat his way out of it. It should come as no surprise the corrupt, power-mongering nature of these cats, their bankrupt agenda's and lack of belief in true democracy or accountability is a big part of the problem (and federal negligence). Of course, that's my opinion and I may be wrong.
I'd be willing to be his approval rating is actually quite lower in reality, considering his "crimes" are far more insidiously criminal, perpetual and self-incriminating than Clintons...
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Post by Shark Black on Mar 19, 2006 15:06:55 GMT -5
"Katrina only happened because of the incompetence and callousness of the (Bush) administration, just as we've seen in Iraq," Cindy Sheehan said Sunday. Can you say assinine!! I'm thinking it had to more with weather patterns in the Atlantic. Someone put this woman out of her misery. (I'll bet you anything her son joined the armed services just to spite her) I know that sounds callous, but man she's a dumb one. I just want to give her a hug and then slap some sense into her. Now you know why I am what I am ... She's my typical neighbor here in Northern California. It's almost a loony Stepford community. #ohgoon# #ohgoon# #ohgoon#
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Post by kerrick on Mar 19, 2006 20:06:28 GMT -5
I feel ya, I grew up in Santa Cruz county. I'll take Stepford over Santa Cruz any day! At least in Stepford you don't have to put up with all the obnoxious, pointless protesting all the time. -Kerrick
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Post by Virtual Scott on Mar 20, 2006 10:27:53 GMT -5
Ok, though we know global warming is occuring and effecting weather patterns and trends, and human influence is the primary cause of global warming, I can't see how blaming Bush for Katrina is relevant. Maybe she meant to blame Bush (and the House) for perpetrating the cause/effect relationship with energy production, politicals, energy policy and our future crisis, but yeah, thats sounds ridiculous, though there is some truth buried in the mire of her partisan statement (if thats her quote, verbatim.)
Oddly enough, I consider the Bush housewives in Texas more akin to the Stepford wive syndrome in this country, though, those Easy Bake Housewives who take their SUV's to McDonalds and back to their Dallas suburb McMansions, lol!
I've got nothing against protesting, and most of the time, regardless of political point of view, it's not pointless though. Unless you are protesting the importing of Bulgarian tomato soup cans.
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Post by kerrick on Mar 20, 2006 12:14:29 GMT -5
Protesting can get things done, and at the very least bring important topics to attention, but Santa Cruz just takes it too far. SC is not a huge city or anything so it's not like they're going to get national attention, but there's always someone out with signs protesting this or that. It's kind of like San Francisco's little brother, but more marijuana and lacking immensly in the personal hygene area. And someone's always striking too. Just last week there was some group that did a strike for a day. On the news they interviewed a bunch of people saying how "I just wanted to do ___________ and today was the only day I could, but with this strike, I can't get it done" and stuff like that. I mean come on, unions were fine before there were all the laws protecting the workers, but now it's just selfish to strike just to get that extra vacation week or that shorter shift. If a company is that bad, people can just quit and eventually the company will go under. That's how corporate America works. But now it's all about "me" and who cares about anyone else, especially the business that's employing me. Thoughts? -Kerrick
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Post by Fox on Mar 20, 2006 13:25:59 GMT -5
Ok, though we know global warming is occuring and effecting weather patterns and trends, and human influence is the primary cause of global warming, We do? the same people moaning about global warming now were moaning about global cooling 20 years ago. I've never once seen a proponent of global warming talk intelligently about sunspots, solar winds or natural disasters, or even thunderstorms. Yet when you actually sit through a science lecture its amazing some of the neato things you learn about these occurences, yet oddly (or perhaps not so) none of the "ZOMG!! gl0bal w4r|\/|ing iz going to kilz us 411!!!" people ever talk about that. NEVER. And oddly enough man is always the cause of it. Nevermind the fact that we've only kept temperature records for a couple hundred years max, and while the tempurature of the earth was considered to be much warmer millions of years ago (dinosaurs) and much cooler thousands of years ago (ice age). Even if the earth is warming it does not mean that man is the cause of it. While I'm a tried and true believer in "don't shit where you eat" I refuse to follow the mass hysteria cockypoop known as global warming. All the liberals who think you should question everything bite that one hook line and sinker, its unreal.
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Post by SethFWF on Mar 20, 2006 19:40:41 GMT -5
I still say you can't blame any one person for the aftermath of Katrina and of course no one person, group or country for the fact that it happened. But it just seems to me that the gov't from Bush down to Mayor Nagen were absolutely all out to lunch for the 3 days prior to landfall. There didn't seem to be any sense of urgency even when some of the experts were warning what could happen, but we can be arm-chair politicians all we want... As far as global warming, I've never been big on that really...but I do believe(even outside of religious beliefs) that the environment and atmosphere are a wreck and won't be getting better any time soon. Thinking otherwise is the exact same as sticking your head in the sand, but that doesn't change the fact that there's little to nothing that we can do about it now. I was reading an interesting article awhile ago about the damage under the earth that has been caused by worldwide oil drilling, of course there were differing views...but it makes sense that taking something out of the earth is going to leave quite large gaps and allow for more movement. I'll see if I can find that again. Seth
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Post by SethFWF on Mar 20, 2006 19:44:44 GMT -5
But now it's all about "me" and who cares about anyone else, especially the business that's employing me. Thoughts? -Kerrick One thought, what you said right there is exactly where everything is headed. A combo of greed and desperation is taking it's toll on the human spirit, some will still have you think the human condition is getting better though. God bless those optimists...LOL! Just kiddin' Bret...
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Post by SethFWF on Mar 20, 2006 19:54:20 GMT -5
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Post by cyclopssss on Mar 21, 2006 7:47:33 GMT -5
What I find totally unbelievable and shocking, is that the search and rescue (or body-retrieval) was called off after just one month....and this in the richest country on the planet. I saw footage last night of dead bodies still lying underneath rubble and one man even still lying off on the side of the road, disgustingly next to a roadsign marked 'Exit' And it's still lying there, nodbody's bothered to remove it. The gouvernment just leave people up there up to their own devices. Refugees were only let into the area Four Months after the hurricane hit...... that is not inadequacy, it's simply Not Caring
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Post by Virtual Scott on Mar 21, 2006 9:24:37 GMT -5
AH the naysayers...
OK, the vast majority of the scientists, climatologists, meterologists (ad your favorite scientist or academic here) and yet some folks still want to consider Global Warming a "theory" or "speculation"? Hell even some energy folk, politicians and government figureheads, are becoming "interested" in the science involved behind the phenomena. But, Interesting. I, myself, put more stock in, say, Michael Cricton (that award winning fiction author) opinion on science than, say, any of the 1000's of scientists worldwide, in a heartbeat.
There's so much science fact about global warming out there, it's worth your time to do the research as opposed to listing the plethora of facts and information on it here.
Suffice to say, it's unarguable, humans and their activities are having an adverse effect on this planet in a myriad of ways, not just global warming. The proof it out there and it seems to be irrefutable.
Then again, so is Godzilla, just lurking to awaken from his eternal slumber and destroy all non-believers (and the Amish, of course, as well.)
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Post by Sir Van Talvin on Mar 21, 2006 20:29:16 GMT -5
I don't think Fox was saying that global warming ain't happening. What he is saying (I think) is that global warming can't be entirely blamed on mankind. The earth's climate is a vastly complex system that has a myriad of factors affecting its cooling/warming cycles. He mentioned a few of those factors and I'd like to add the planetary "wobble" of the earth along its axis. I don't think any scientist worth his salt (read: objective) can unequivocally say that the current warming trend was started by man as opposed to being exacerbated by man. And for those that believe that man is 100% responsible, what proof is there that a total cessation of pollution will reverse the warming trend?
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Post by Virtual Scott on Mar 22, 2006 8:28:09 GMT -5
Gotcha. That is correct, methinks. But human influence is having a resounding and undeniable impact (and magnifying the factors) on Global Warming. Everything you said sounds correct, and no, mankind certainly isn't 100% responsible, unquestionably, but the dire impact of our influence from burning fossil fuels and releasing billions of tons of carbon (and other greenhouse) gases needs to be controlled - not only for the welfare of us human beings, but as has been postulated (and predicted) many times, the reaction of the planet to this phenomena brings us future tragedies.
Not to mention this is a great excuse to get our energy policy and priorities straight, which, with our current politics and special interest control of legislation, isn't happening.
Oh well.
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