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Post by Fox on Mar 5, 2007 12:54:08 GMT -5
Of the people who've announced thus far I like Ron Paul the most.
The prospect of Hillary getting in scares me.
Anyone have any thoughts on anyone?
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Post by Shark Black on Mar 13, 2007 17:10:54 GMT -5
Rudy Rudy Rudy!!
Oh yeah the thought of having "I AIN"T IN NO WAYS TIRED" Hillary in the oval office is friggin' frightening....
And someone needs to put Chuck Schumer out of his misery. The dude's an absolute creep....
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Post by Fox on Mar 14, 2007 10:24:22 GMT -5
Agreed on Schumer.
Although I have a funny story about that, in the 2000 election I was finishing school up in his disctrict and the ads against him were so negative it was hysterical, but it did them little good obviously, heck I don't even remember who he ran against, but a commercial break during a typical show became a litany of reasons not to vote for Chuck Schumer. I think I saw 4 in a row once, no joke. These things made the swift boat vets look like a positive message for John Kerry. 80% of the commercials could have been lies and I still wouldn't have voted for schumer. (I didn't live there so it didn't matter).
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Post by Virtual Scott on Apr 9, 2007 12:27:01 GMT -5
I find the plethora of Republican candidates far more frightening than HIllary (including Flip Floppy McCain who lost alot of earned respect in recent times and Romney who never met a political statement he couldn't "re-arrange" for the candidacy race and pandering) but not as frightening as it could've potentially been with Jeb!
That said, I think that Obama might be the right choice at this juncture - limited political experience - if he surrounds himself with the right crew - could work in his favor. I'm tired off all the politicians as usual who pop up day in day out. Perhaps a less experienced politicio would be beneficial to our wounded nation.
My humble opinion, of course... I'm waiting for John Stewart to run!
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Post by Virtual Scott on Apr 9, 2007 12:27:57 GMT -5
Schumer ain't got nothing on creepiness compared to Inohue, Brownbeck and that Senator from Mississippi.
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Post by nancy on Apr 9, 2007 19:13:53 GMT -5
www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=578201&category=OPINION&newsdate=4/5/2007How does that happen....a presidential nominee leaves Irag unscathed? "THE ISSUE: Sen. John McCain says the media aren't telling the full story of the Iraq war, meaning the rosier side of it." Geez, now I'm positive I did fall asleep during my college history classes!!! I didn't know there was a rosier side to war. Of all the times my professor should have woken me up, it should have been the day he discussed that!!!! Dam.
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Post by Fox on Apr 10, 2007 11:00:03 GMT -5
Geez, now I'm positive I did fall asleep during my college history classes!!! I didn't know there was a rosier side to war. Of all the times my professor should have woken me up, it should have been the day he discussed that!!!! Dam. The american revolution gave us the constitution, civil war brought an end to slavery and WWII stopped the march of the German army. Those all sound pretty rosie to me, at least compared to the alternatives.
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Post by Virtual Scott on Apr 11, 2007 12:41:20 GMT -5
In that context, back in the day, that might be true. But what bright side is the Iraq War bringing to us? Sure Husseins been deposed and is probably soaking in fire and brimstone somewhere, but other than that, I'm not seeing much more than government hand outs to crony corporations who are literally ripping off the taxpayers? Of course, I don't know what price a slice of Pizza is now in Iraq, so... ;-)
I'm also not that familiar with Ron Paul, so I may have to check out this guy.
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Post by BenMech on Apr 12, 2007 9:54:50 GMT -5
Ron Paul was on Real Time With Bill Maher a few weeks ago, and seemed to be the extreme end of libertarianism. Strangely, he's still registered as a Republican
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Post by Virtual Scott on Apr 13, 2007 11:25:12 GMT -5
There's a dichotomy, eh?
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Post by Abate on Apr 13, 2007 23:06:56 GMT -5
McCain: Turncoat. Got screwed by Bush in 2000 and is getting screwed again. Could not be a worse politician.
Guliani: No real experience. No, being feelgood mayor during 9/11 does not count. Some of you should remember holding Bush in this same regard and we've had years of sheer incompetence since.
Romney: Mormon. Is that prejiduce? Maybe, but he's part of a religion with a LONG history of sexism that was very public up until a few decades ago. Good luck.
Thompson: Are you focking kidding me? Haven't you Republican's had enough of people without proper experience holding the nation's highest office?
Obama: Sign of the times. Will be a strong candidate the next time around.
Edwards: Insufficient experience. Says the right things but will get eaten alive on the campaign trail.
Hillary: The most probable, also the most polarizing. She will beat any Republican candidate at this point if we don't get out of Iraq soon.
Gore: My personal favorite. The ONLY candidate viable with both relevant experience and a backbone willing to stand up for what he believes.
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Post by Fox on Apr 16, 2007 10:37:19 GMT -5
Why does experience matter at all?
FDR was the worst president we've ever had and he's had more experience than anyone.
Fact of the matter is most politicians who tout there experience still like to talk about problems they can solve for you, seems to me if they were good at solving problems they'd have no reason to run for office anymore.
You can slag Juliani all you want but NYC was a much better place when he left office than when he went in.
Playing the experience card during a political campaign is the equivalent of putting a sign up that says "I can't do anything for you, but you're too dumb to figure that out".
Gore? Please, get someone with a brain that can analyze data. (and doesn't leave a carbon footprint larger than small towns).
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Post by Virtual Scott on Apr 16, 2007 18:05:31 GMT -5
I'll agree... as I mentioned above maybe it IS time for some one who doesn't have that "500 years of experience as a political analyist for FOX and Bedrock news, 200 degrees in Political Science from Harvard, served 1200 terms in the House of Representatives, clerked for George Washington's Dentist", etc. Which is why I think that Obama might be an interesting choice, not to mention a definite intriguing (polarizing? not so much) and stronger candidate than Hillary. I think he'd cross party lines more than she would.
I do like Gore, but until he annouces it, I'd consider him the "don't make a wager" candidate. That said, I'd bet his "carbon footprint" is smaller than most others in those positions, so unless we're holding him to some higher standard than others, that's not a deal breaker for me.
But... FDR? Worst? I'd bet there's tons of scholars, academics, charlatans, high school students, dairy farmers, well... pretty much almost anyone other than high-level energy execs who'd put W far below FDR (let alone Nixon) when it comes to setting some kind of presidential bar.
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Post by BenMech on Apr 17, 2007 7:47:38 GMT -5
Scott - you should know by now to take anything Steve says with a boulder of salt
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Post by Fox on Apr 17, 2007 7:53:18 GMT -5
Actually there was a news report a month or two ago stating Bush uses less energy than Gore.
Gore preaching environmentalism is a lot like Jimmy Swaggart getting caught with a hooker.
Of course that doesn't make either one of them wrong, just hypocrites.
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