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« Thread Started on Jan 13, 2009, 5:26pm » | |
I thought if anything would jump start this room it would be Obama's election and soon to be inauguration.
What's everyone think? I'm personally not a fan, feel like the guy isn't honest even for a politician. Also think he's trying to be far-left because he thinks he has to in order to balance what Bush has done the last 8 years. He's in for a rude awakening on many issues.
First, I've never been a big Bush fan and have been pretty critical over the years...but also have never been a top tier Bush-Hater by any means. But it does irk me to no end how this new administration somehow thinks they would have done better with the economy under the same set of circumstances that he had to deal with. Actually in a general observation of politics and politicians, they always defend their own and say they really don't have that much control over what happens in the economy anyway, but yet everything that's happened this last year is 100% Bush's fault. Rude awakening #1, there's very little Barack will do to help this economy...and many of his plans may have the opposite effect. Therefore, rude awakening #2 comes when he can't come through with a good deal of his promises...his special interest groups won't be happy and neither will a huge portion of his currently rabid supporters. At some point his approval rating is going to look a lot like the outgoing's does.
And the biggest challenge he'll face is maintaining some sense of security in this country, while I don't agree with parts of what Bush did post 9/11...I do think we at least commanded(even if in a nasty way) respect with regards to what we could and would do if fucked with again. Barack isn't prepared to deal with foreign affairs, he has no idea what to do with terrorist nations, very well organized and prepared terrorist organizations...and currently has said very little if anything about the Israel/Gaza fiasco(as if there's anything that can really be done over there anyway). Biggest and most dangerous rude awakening, how's this guy(oh yeah and former Gov. of my state Napalitano as HomeLand Security Secretary...   ) gonna keep us safe and yet appease his far left, way too liberal constituents when it comes to the 'proper way to protect the country'?
It sucks being a middle of the road person politically, cuz everyone looks like a clown...but IMO Obama looks much scarier as the incoming 'leader of America and therefore most powerful man in the world' than McCain did.
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| | Re: Why so quiet in here???
« Reply #1 on Jan 14, 2009, 11:02pm » | |
I have NO IDEA where you're getting this impression, but you're wrong. Obama's a centrist, but from the REAL center, not the far right's version of "center" which is why everyone who isn't a fascist mini Jack Bauer is always being accused of being a traitor or the like.
Anyway, I like him and his family, Voted for him in each place I could. There really wasn't any other candidate with anything to say who could actually organize a mass worth voting (Don't mention Ron Paul)
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« Reply #2 on Jan 15, 2009, 1:29pm » | |
I did say Ben, that he's "trying to be far-left". He reached out to the desperate left wing of the country, they organized very well and were lucky to get a huge amount of votes from people who really didn't care about the issues...but just wanted the Repubs out no matter who was running against them.
He ran on a very left platform IMO, when it comes to the economy, taxing, spending, etc... A lot of his foreign policy talk came from a left standpoint because again, he has no idea what he's doing when it comes to that. But as long as it was anti-whatever Bush has done, it got the masses out to vote.
Having said all that, he won't actually be that far left by any means...simply because he'll find it's not practicle or possible. And there's one of my major problems, as with all politicians...the promises will go unfulfilled and many of those that love him now won't in time. Like the kid running for class prez making all kinds of crazy promises to get elected, he went overboard with the expectations of what he could do for the economy and the country's security.
From a personal standpoint, he does seem like a likeable guy...not so sure about the wife in that regard though(which doesn't matter in any real way). And maybe I would have liked him more, but I do feel he's hiding some things and hasn't been completely forthcoming about his past. There's a lot of propaganda of course, but there's also a lot of doubt left in my mind about his associations and if he really hasn't been influenced by people we'd never elect to any gov't position. There's also a few too many gov'ts and groups around the world that supported him in words and money that make me wonder what their agenda is with him and why they're so happy he got elected.
Anyway, the economy will come back on it's own and in it's own time...it was way up during part of Bush's reign and had little to do with Bush, same thing as when it's down. How long it takes, how far it goes and whether or not it crashes again will be effected by many factors...but major, way out of proportion actions certainly won't help matters.
I do hope when he's officially in, reality will set in when he sees how things actually work...maybe he'll do OK. I'll reserve anymore judgement till then.
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| | Re: Why so quiet in here???
« Reply #3 on Jan 15, 2009, 6:07pm » | |
Sorry Seth, you sound brainwashed. End of discussion.
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« Reply #4 on Jan 16, 2009, 5:51pm » | |
Definitely not brainwashed, but I don't see things in just black and white(no pun there of course).
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« Reply #6 on Aug 10, 2009, 7:57pm » | |
At least part of what I predicted has come true, down goes the approval rating. No surprise, this is a radical administration with radical ideas of how to bring about 'big change' for the country.
So at some point the other things I predicted may well come about also, Obama not being able to follow through with many of his promises because it's just not practical. From a common sense perspective and certainly not financially. First of all, the stimulus is not working...nobody can convince me that anything is better. I have to laugh at these folks that say, 'look, the market's going up'.... #ohgoon# As if that means anything to the average american, and also it can(and likely will) come back down just as fast. It's a fabricated market that gets adjusted by the powers that be as they see fit.
No, Obama did not inherit this entire economy fiasco...he brought about a good deal of it in record time after taking office. Bush made plenty of mistakes, but he and the Repubs are not fully responsible for this mess...after all, the Dems controlled congress for the last 2 years of his reign.
In Obama's defense, it would be quite difficult to fix this mess...whoever's 'fault' it is. But what he's doing is going to make things worse, and what he's done so far isn't the answer...therefore the crumbling of his support.
The jury's still out on foreign affairs(and still out on the economy too, I'm no Nostrodamus), but I'm hardly convinced he's gonna do a good job at keeping the country safe with all the 'bleeding heart/ultra-liberal' rhetoric going on in his admin. I mean, let's read miranda rights to terrorist combatants over in Afgan. and Iraq... Then let's release a bunch of them too, they won't try to hurt us again, right! And we hardly need to worry about the Mexican border!
Not even gonna touch on "Cap and Tax" or health care reform right now, been following along pretty good on both issues...but can't really say I've formed a solid opinion on them. At this point I think the fact that we need to rush all this stuff through yesterday, without reading it, understanding it, or even taking the time to do some trials or something...brings me back to my original statement, I don't trust the guy. There's no reason to push so hard for such massive changes so quickly, beyond fishy.
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« Reply #7 on Aug 20, 2009, 5:10pm » | |
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« Reply #9 on Aug 31, 2009, 11:12am » | |
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